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PostSubject: New Ability   Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:00 pm



    Name: Symbiotic Penance Stare
    Rank: B
    Power:Chosen Symbiotic Physiology
    Description: Symbiotes seem to have some latent psychic abilities, allowing them to respond to the thoughts of their hosts, and each other. When in close combat Hiim locks eyes with his victim and makes him or her feel every pain that that individual has ever inflicted on anyone else innocent in their lifetime, this is due to the psychic nature of the symbiote. It only affects every being that one has in it's body or essence(unless they only have 1 soul or persona), and the more beings(personalities,souls,etc) the creature has inside it the further it could used.(1=No effect, 2= 5 meters, 3=10 meters, 4=20 meters, 5=40 meters, 6 or more=Eyesight) The damage inflicted depends on the innocence of the being in question, any more than six kills preformed will put them into a paralyzed state where they are stripped of their powers for a single post, twelve or more lasts for two posts. This version is due to it being preformed by a symbiote and will not work for non-symbiotic characters. Having this ability also renders Hiim immune to another's Penance stare.


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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:47 pm

http://www.comicvine.com/penance-stare/41-56/

Chosen means Chosen by a god......

Well lets go by Ghost Rider, he was chosen by the Devil...oh that's how he got his power yeah :/. The Devil does not even judge souls, he simply collects them in the underworld. Okay cool, now let's move on.

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The Penance Stare doesn't always work. For example, the Penance Stare will not work on those with more than two eyes, those high on drugs or the blind and has no effect on Symbiotes ,such as Venom, which instead knocked Ghost Rider unconscious while attempting it on him.

Now why would this backfire on him? When he uses it on souless people it does not back fire...so then if someone has two or more souls it backfires right?

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Ghost Rider tries to use it on Blackheart but is immune saying that he has " no soul to burn". This changes when Blackheart absorbs the souls of San Venganza, consisting of a thousand corrupted souls.

Oh no it's super effective.

So why does it backfire when used on Venom?
Simple, Symbiote's can use the penance stare.


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Symbiotes seem to have some latent psychic abilities, allowing them to respond to the thoughts of their hosts, and each other. When Venom's symbiote was in anguish, it let out a psychic scream that effected sensitive humans worldwide, and was received by symbiotes in a nearby star system.

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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:14 pm

I'm ok with this new variation. The divine stuff wasn't working for me, but the psychic ability seems fine for me.

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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:15 am

Alright I had to leave chat early yesterday so we couldn't finish this conversation. So I'll post everything here that I have found.

The Penance Stare-

The power to cause a variety of debilitating effects with one's stare. The user can induce a variety of effects by locking eyes with another, ranging from inflicting pain to petrification to knocking people out, or sometimes even killing people.

Ghost Rider/Johnny Blaze (Marvel Comics)
Ghost Rider/Danny Ketch (Marvel Comics)
Vengeance (Marvel Comics)
Noble Kale (Marvel Comics)
Bloodwynd (DC Comics)
Kylar Stern (Night Angel Series)
Eragon Shadeslayer via Empathy Spell (Inheritance)
Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) via Haoshoku Haki
Boa Hancock (One Piece)
Miyamoto Usagi (Usagi Yojimbo)
One-Above-All (Marvel Comics)
Medusa (mythology)
Johnny Sorrow (DC Comics)
Cthulhu (Cthulhu Mythos)
Silvers Rayleigh (One Piece)
Noble Kale (Marvel Comics)
Azathoth (Cthulhu Mythos)
Cyttorak (Marvel Comics)
Elder Toguro (YuYu Hakusho)
Vamp (Metal Gear Solid)
John Constantine (Constantine)
Prince Wayfinder (Marvel Comics)
Shanks (One Piece)
Jaden Yuki (Yu-Gi-Oh! GX)
Fluttershy (My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic)


No Symbiotes on this list.

Symbiote official abilities from the Marvel Database itself.

Symbiote Abilities:
 

It doesn't have any mention of a penance stare, and the latent psychic ability is hardly worth mentioning as Venom has only done it when in extreme pain. It could be a reaction, but we'll leave that there.


Now the Ghost Rider vs Venom predicament.

Venom not only was immune to the gaze, but caused Johnny to be knocked out.

I had to go through comicvine and Marvel's forums to find the answer to this.

Alan from Marvel Forums wrote:

"Venom has withstood it, partially because his eyes don't quite work the normal way."

Comicvine Official Information wrote:

The Penance Stare can get through most things protecting the victims eyes [glasses, helmets, ect], however, it could not get through Venom's symbiote because it acted like an second pair of eyes. Also for the Stare to work the victim must have a soul.

This is the explanation after digging much deeper. This isn't the only time there has been a psychic backlash when someone has tried to use Psi-conics on venom.

Some Spiderman Guy wrote:

Well, for one thing, its 2 minds instead of 1 and when trying to go into Eddie's mind, you get a horrible psychic backlash from the symbiote. The symbiote is also undetectable to psychics (as shown when Venom and Vengence were fighting the Alien techno hunters in Venom's own limited series). The symbiote can also affect someone's mind in a mental manner, very badly. So if Shadow King even managed to get into Eddie's mind (very unlikely due to the symbiote already), he would have to constantly fight the Symbiote's own messed up mind and Eddie's (who has very strong willpower, possibly as much as Spider-Man's). This is one of the main reasons that the Jury doesn't use psychics anymore. One time they introduced a psychic onto their team, and it tried on Venom only to be horribly hurt by Venom's own psychic backlash.

Its also worth noting that when Ghost Rider tried a Penance Stare on Venom, it caused him to go unconscious.

It isn't Venom using a penance stare, it's the symbiote sending a backlash back towards the sender through some kind of psychic shield as he's done it to other psychics before in the series. So I can't in my right mind approve something that has no connection to the actual ability page provided on various sites that have no mention of it. Because if we go by logic of demons and gods having it, then all would be able to get a penance stare who is deity touched, which is not the case here. So I have to say unapproved. Not saying you couldn't get an psychic backlash move now, however.

And if it comes to what was said yesterday about me specifically focusing on you but I'd let anyone else slide with it, I will be happy to link you to Nameless' abilities I had him change cause it made no sense. My own applications that have been changed cause it made no sense. And various other staff members that have gone through the same thing. It's not pointing things out for specific members, it's a staff member just doing their job and following the only sort of information guide we use for this canon based site.
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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:52 pm

Last part was malicious and totally unneeded
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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:59 pm



    Name: Psychic Whip Lash
    Rank: B
    Power: Chosen Symbiote Physiology
    Description: Any mental ability tried on Hiim will be reversed onto the user if it is his rank or lower. If the user is lower than Hiim's rank they will also be rendered unconscious.




    Name: Psychic Scream
    Rank: B
    Power: Chosen Symbiote Physiology
    Description: Using this ability Hiim can stun any psychic or mental users his rank or lower within one hundred meters of him for a single post. However if it is a symbiote not only will they become stunned for a single post but they will become badly harmed and only be able to operate at fifty percent capacity for the next four posts(after the stun). This has a two post cool down.


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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:27 pm

Not malicious unless taken personally. Basic truth from a previous remark.

Uhuh wrote:
Name: Psychic Whip Lash
Rank: B
Power: Chosen Symbiote Physiology
Description: Any mental ability tried on Hiim will be reversed onto the user if it is his rank or lower, if it is above him rank it will simply not work.

If the telepath is above the user's rank, there should not be a problem. Complete immunity to all telepaths at such a low rank is a no go. Abilities the same rank of the user and below can be backlashed fine and dandy.

Uhuh wrote:
Name: Psychic Scream
Rank: B
Power: Chosen Symbiote Physiology
Description: Using this ability Hiim can stun any psychic or mental users his rank or lower within one hundred meters of him for a single post. However if it is a symbiote they will die if they are within fifty meters, become stunned for two posts if within one hundred meters, and stunned for one post if in the same topic.

It says stunned for a single post. Does that mean there would be a cooldown between screams so you couldn't just keep screaming over and over again, making that one post stun basically moot?

Auto Death for a Symbiote because of an undodgeable scream is ridiculous. If anything it should cause them extreme discomfort like a psychic and interrupt their physical make up and abilities (like a high pitched noise), and if prolonged exposure perhaps death. But just death on one scream is too much.
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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:30 pm

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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:29 pm

Spoke about this already and thought it was common knowledge but a branch should not completely outweigh the ability of a main. This is kind of a balance tipper.....It could delay, make harder, so on and so fourth but no completely negate. Even telepaths who are mains don't have an impenetrable force around their minds. Feel free to out vote me but remember if we do it for one we should do it for all.
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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:36 pm

Name: Psychic Whip Lash
Rank: B
Power: Chosen Symbiote Physiology
Description: Any mental ability tried on Hiim will be reversed onto the user if it is his rank or lower. If the user is lower than Hiim's rank they will also be rendered unconscious. However if it is a main of his rank or above it will take 3 times as long for any ability to be preformed upon Hiim.
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PostSubject: Re: New Ability   Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:19 am

well this is a branch ability, so for it to block and repel all equal ranked psychic abilities is technically against the system(branch is weaker than sub or main). unless there is a weakness to the ability( pain, recharge time,... etc) this ability is too powerful to be a branch ability.
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